The games that she isn't in, often aren't part of the main story line, but even so, it's understandable why they aren't suddenly going to call these games "The Legend of Link", since Zelda is an established series, so it has instant recognition with its target audience. I don't know how accurate it is, but according to Google Translate the title means "Irregular Cliff Zero.". ! Seeing this makes me wish I could find a translation patch for Dragon Slayer: Legend of Heroes 2 for the SFC cart so that I could play it on my retron 5. (Of course, "Far East of Eden doesn't literally translate into "Tengai Makyou", but then translation, especially for a title, is rarely literal....). If all goes well, this might not be the last "impossible" Super Famicom English translation we see before 2017 ends... Closer and closer to that dream of a fully translated Super Famicom library....even if it does have to include titles that really were just intended for Japan or garbage.... XD. We don't call it the Densetsu no Zelda series, do we? It was another RPG (also published by Hudson) that has yet to be fan-translation, Daikaiju Monogatari II, or Big Shell Monsters Story II. Display language English Reference currency USD. I can't find much in English. I would argue that the japanese do mix Christian lore in though. A component that's certainly quite frequently present and important to the lore of the Tengai universe, but it's not the main thread of the series. Tengai MakyÅ Zero is a turn-based role-playing game, featuring random battles.Battles are fought from an over-the-shoulder perspective, similar to games like Phantasy Star II and Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium. by illuminerdi » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:54 am, Post Asian lore and Christian lore aren't mixed that often, so chances are slim that it is based upon being cast out of paradise or whatever. From that point of view, Tengai Makyou is the Japanese translation of the fictionally original Far East of Eden title. It should be around 2.2GB in size. Indeed, it's very common in Japan to keep the original title alongside with its Japanese translation. description. Welcome to Let's Play Far East of Eden Zero or Tengai Makyou Zero for the SNES! Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment... 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Right off the bat, I want to stress that this game's title is "Tengai Makyou Zero" (pronounced something like "Ten Guy Mock Yo") and not "Far East of Eden Zero." Metal Slug » King of Fighters '97 » Double Dragon » King of Fighters '98 » Samurai Spirits RPG ... Far East of Eden » King of Fighters '96. But to be fair, though: I didn't say that they don't mix, I said that they don't do it that often, and to elaborate on my point: a lot of the times, when they delve into demon territory in manga, anime or games, it is nearly always based upon their own lore, which is of course a far more interesting (and extensive) database which holds tons of demons and evil deities, which makes most of the Western myths and/or our religion-based evils pale in comparison. To make a long story short: "Tengai Makyou Zero" is the name of the game, and "Far East of Eden" is just decorative text that reflects the "roots" of the series. window.__mirage2 = {petok:"e0e9f885164e7d3f55cd85e3658d5bbb31833488-1612556154-1800"}; @GravyThief Yes, I set up the date to current day, 2017. True, many anime and manga titles are left untranslated, but they still should be translated (at least roughly), and yes many people do question such decisions. And since that fictitious book is only part of the entire lore in the Tengai series, it doesn't make sense to me at ALL to use "Far East of Eden" as the English title for all the reasons provided by me, the translator and the multiple sources available, because that book is not the main story line or binding factor in all of those games; it's just a component. The series is called Tengai Makyou, and that does NOT translate to "Far East from Eden". Really great looking game I'd love to play someday. https://www.giantbomb.com/tengai-makyou/3025-1326/, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TengaiMakyou. The stories and legends of all these cultures are highly interesting to me nonetheless. FAR EAST OF EDEN Tengai Makyo Zero Japan Nintendo SFC Super Famicom SNES NTSC JP. Thank you so much to you, Red Guy and Magno! Gives me something to look forward to tonight I suppose! The PCB used in the official cartridge is an SHVC-LDH3C-01, which was used by one -- and only one -- title: the one mentioned here. Of the game, or of the fictitious book in that game? The First Review For Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury... Nintendo's Real-Life Animal Crossing Dodo Airlines Collec... Review: Project Starship X - An Unconventional Shmup That... Nintendo Shares Release Schedule For 2021 And Beyond, And... Join 1,105,094 people following Nintendo Life: © 2021 Nlife Media, partner of Gamer Network. A place that you can discuss reproduction of classic titles or "licensed-for-reproduction" homebrew for personal use. Now I just have to wait to see if it's easy to update the ROM on the cart with the translation, what with all the special chips and RTC and stuff inside. My SD2SNES is so close to perfection now! that little red light tells me it's waiting when i get done with my work. The latter is just an English subtitle, added for whatever gratuitous reason, but it is definitely not the main title of the series. @ThanosReXXX Fine, "The Devil's World Far From Heaven Zero," then. Hey, I wrote in the article it would not work. More info on the series here: As for the Legend of Zelda: she actually IS an ever present part of the series, albeit not always in the same form. @icerzerocool got that going on Contra right now. You can check the newly translated game prologue in the following video. @ThanosReXXX translation is always interpretation. Secret of Mana is actually a more applicable translation, even though it isn't 1:1 either, but collecting Mana and how to use it, is very much an important and intrinsic part of the world, whereas the fictional book mentioned in the Tengai series is not. The distinction between the two is really important to me. The size of this Far East Of Eden Zero Emulator/ROM is just 4.1MB only and around 4539 people already downloaded and played it. Of course, the rest of the story is anti-biblical if anything, but the borrowed element is there. So to make it simple, I would just refer to it as either the Demon World or at the most "a Hell", but not THE Hell. I take it it's hard to find? @ThanosReXXX You need Tom's custom SNES9x version. With 2 active users, we are currently maintaining 158 articles and 94 files, and you can help! More info about the what, when and why about the game can be read here: Just recently in the past 2 months, my controller has stopped working (both wireless and factory) when I try playing any game whether is arcade, snes, genesis or nintendo. Tengai MakyÅ (also known by the English title Far East of Eden) was one of the most popular RPGs during the 16-bit era, a suitable rival to Square's Final Fantasy and Enix's Dragon Quest.Published by Hudson and developed by Red Entertainment (known for other successes like Sakura Wars, and PlayStation 2 titles like Gungrave and Bujingai), Tengai MakyÅ was one of ⦠I'm pretty sure he's not going to agree. The SPC7110 was a Hudson chip (or maybe it was by Epson?). 13. What? A better alternative name for the series would probably be "Legends of the Triforce", since that is almost always there, or maybe even better: "Hyrule Legends"... Anyways, I think I'm just going to call it a day here. Man the entire Hudson library is held on lockdown now just cause a crappy company (Konami) held the rights and doesn't want to do anything with them. Guide. ^_^ Thank you to the people behind this translation! Harry Potter: https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%8F%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%83%9D%E3%83%83%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%81%A8%E8%B3%A2%E8%80%85%E3%81%AE%E7%9F%B3-1-J-K-%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0/dp/4915512371/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1508823187&sr=1-4&keywords=harry+potter or Rayman Legends: https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E4%BB%BB%E5%A4%A9%E5%A0%82-%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3-%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89/dp/B00EUWJEKQ ). The Japanese title "Tengai Makyou" is supposed to be a translation of the "original" title Far east of Eden, the author himself being regularly credited as the translator, so I think it makes sense to use Far East of Eden as the English title for the series. World events like New Year's Eve would result in festivals being held in the game's villages around the world map. For the books are not /that/ fictional, they have been published — kind of like "Fantastic beasts and where to find them" is a real book — and they have been published, in Japanese, under the title Tengai Makyou. Trademarks listed on our pages belong to their designated owner(s). Working and playable on a real snes console. And the reason why I said it is gratuitous English, is because of the Japanese origins of the game. https://www.giantbomb.com/tengai-makyou/3025-1326/, and here: It's become a household name, so Nintendo would be stupid to change that for some spinoffs/minor games. This is the English version of Tengai Makyou Zero. Happy Gaming! Oddly a picture of Peach DOES appear. @Shiryu haha. Far East of Eden Kabuki Den Tengai Makyo SCD PC Engine Super CD-ROM From Japan. The enhancement chip was used to compress graphics, indeed a luxury when you consider the limited ROM cartridge size available to producers developing for the Super Nintendo. Including a correct translation of the title... For those interested: the correct ROM needed to apply the translation patch on, can be found in the so-called "GoodSNES v3.23" collection, along with any other SNES ROM you might want to play on your PC or SNES Mini... Just Google "GoodSNES v3.23" and you should be able to find it. Second, as explained by both the translator and multiple sources (of which I only linked to a few), the English "translation"/title is a misunderstanding based upon a fictitious book, that is part of the lore of the world and is mentioned frequently in the Tengai series, but it is NOT the main title. is the word used to describe something that can't be done... until someone does it for the first time. they often mix it in. It includes revisions that correct issues that were in the previous patch release. (The book doesn't really exist. Good stuff. Momotaru Densetsu Happy. @ThanosReXXX With all due respect to the translator, I think it's the other way around, and in a sense you're right to refer to "Far East of Eden" as "gratuitous English": it's not part of the Japanese title. @Lone_Beagle Indeed, ZSNES needed special graphics packs that were the raw, decompressed graphic file dumps. Tengai Makyou IS the series' name. That the translation is loose is not unusual — Secret of Mana is not a translation of Seiken Densetu 2 (litt. "The Devil's World far from Heaven".... what is meant by that? @ThanosReXXX Most video game titles ARE tanslated though (if they aren't already in English to begin with), and translation is the entire point of this project. @speedracer216 I have that trivia at the bottom of the article. I would love to see what the translator of the game has to say about that, so maybe you should share your point of view with him. Im making this post because english translations of pc engine games are kinda rare, and when somebody makes one you never really hear about it unless you are fortunate to know about romhacking.net. If you like this Far East Of Eden Zero, we request you to give suitable ratings. Looking at the translation's bundled mainfest.bml file: Is the game any good? "the author himself being regularly credited as the translator, so I think it makes sense to use Far East of Eden as the English title for the series.". It is gratuitous Japanese if the whole point of the project is to translate the game into English. by Pokun » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:27 am, Post by illuminerdi » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:42 am, Post Honestly it looks otherwise fine, but the battle theme sounds super dull and if there's one surefire way to kill a RPG for me, it's when the main battle theme is bad. No description available. Both the terminology (a group of people called "Noah" or the "Ark") and flashbacks to the actual biblical story though it includes strange changes of course). Far East of Eden â Tengai Makyou Zero â English NTSC â SNES Game $ 119.99. @ThanosReXXX Give it a couple of months... @icerzerocool lol, which is why the "Sleep" feature on the Switch is so awesome! you will need to adjust its command line. I know it doesn't currently, but Star Ocean didn't originally until a patch was created for it that allowed it to work. @BulbasaurusRex Wow, I was discussing this topic quite a few months ago, so you're royally late to the party, and I honestly have no idea about all this anymore, so no offense but I am not about to re-read all my own comments here, let alone the ones of the people that responded to me, to see if I can make any sense of your comment here, because right now, I can't make heads or tails of it, sorry. @BulbasaurusRex For difficult complex languages such as Japanese, I would NEVER recommend Google Translate, that doesn't even come close to giving an accurate translation. the Biohazard/Resident Evil series, or Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone. My point was also more that I find it strange that people completely accept almost any translation and go with it, simply because they don't understand the language or care to investigate into the background of a series. Rom recommendations tailored to you (the more roms you rate or add to your collection, the better the recommendations become). by calima » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:35 am, Post I'm only quoting the translator and have kindly provided links with additional information. I've only played the three games on the PCE and as killer titles of the system they're all doubtlessly great (though I might not age well). It's clear to me that Tengai Makyou was meant to be the translation of Far East of Eden, and since the (real) Japanese title of the (fictional) book has been given to the series, it makes sense to me to use the (fictionally original) English title of the book for the games as well. @KingMike I am sadly even more confused: https://snescentral.com/article.php?id=0883 Can you give me sources for the SDD-1? It's just a part of the series' lore.) Far East of Eden - Tengai Makyou - Fuun Kabuki-den (Japan) (Rev 2).zip (View Contents) 11-Mar-2017 07:40: 538.5M: Far East of Eden - Tengai Makyou - Fuun Kabuki-den (Japan) (Sample) (Rev 1).zip (View Contents) 11-Mar-2017 07:20: 231.7M: Far East of Eden - Tengai Makyou - Ziria (Japan) (Hibaihin) (Rev 1).zip (View Contents) 11-Mar-2017 07:57: 199.7M @ThanosReXXX I meant Adachi Hiroshi, the "translator" of the books — I think actually an other pen-name of Hiroi Ouji, the creator of the series . Metal Slug 2. Also Find Great Variety of other Games at RomsPlanet.com It was a different chip, SDD-1. These would translate into sub-quests and unique items for your party, so even when done with the main story players always had a good reason to come back to the game. taking the biblical story (based on Devil/Heaven) what is the part of the world far from heaven? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqwLbxJhew. a Japanese edition of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" would have the original title in small print on top, above the Japanese translation.) Alll I can say in general is that yes, I do indeed question the translation mentioned in this topic, which was the whole point of why I entered this discussion in the first place, so in that we at least agree, I think? Amazing work! I'll try it out later. See how! (E.g. That is exactly what I was trying to get across. ... Tengai Makyo Far East Of Eden Zero (Nintendo Super Famicom SNES SFC, 1991) Japan. From the translator himself:"Comments from Tom, the translator: Tengai Makyou Zero is the second fan-translation in the series (with the first being Oriental Blue: Ao no Tengai). ROMs » MAME » F » Far East of Eden - Kabuki Klash / Tengai Makyou - Shin Den. I also find topics like these interesting, even though I'm not even a religious person. About the Far East of Eden Zero Project Once zsKnight added a graphics logger to ZSNES, we were able to use the log generated to cut the graphics packs down to 80% of their original size. And of course, English is NOT the original language, so Tengai Makyou is not the translation of Far East of Eden, but the other way around. Now, if they were to name it "The Deku Tree sagas", then it would be strange, because although the tree is there or is mentioned in several games, it's only PART of the entire lore. (I quoted him in comment #4). And by the way: it's not gratuitous Japanese, it's the other way around, so the English part is additional/gratuitous. Sorry, but I don't agree. Still lacks a few things to be really perfect (playing Far East of Eden Zero, Super Game Boy implementation, and save states) but Iâm not in a hurry, and I love my SD2SNES so much already!! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TengaiMakyou. by illuminerdi » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:31 am, Post Re: Tengai Makyou Zero / Far East of Eden Zero English Repro Post by lidnariq » Thu May 02, 2019 11:33 pm illuminerdi wrote: As best as I can tell, since the Expansion ROM data lives in bank $40, the code is somehow accessing the contents of ⦠I will revise the article as soon as possible. Sometimes the title is changed in different region even from English to English — cf. @bolt05 @KingMike Now I get it. Please submit your own description for this item if you know about this title and let others benefit from it. If you don't agree, attack take it up with the translator, not me. //, Major JRPG's "impossible" language barrier conquered at last. $18.99 + $15.00 shipping. Another one of the great RPGs in the last years of the SNES era! i've actually done a lot of research on biblical stuff in games so it's fun to find these things.thanks for your insight and the link too! "The Realm of Demons Outside Heaven"), also known as Far East of Eden, is a series of role-playing video games released in Japan and Taiwan. I'll never tire of outstanding 16-bit pixel art. You could translate that to Hell, but that would once again be a too "real-worldly" translation. It's another reminder of what fan communities can do, in this case delivering an experience that wasn't otherwise possible. [CDATA[ The ACTUAL (and literal) translation of Tengai Makyou is "The Devil's World Far From Heaven", as explained here:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TengaiMakyou, The translator of the game mentioned in the article also stressed the fact that the series is not called "Far East from Eden". I didn't have to wait too long! I've got my point of view, you've got yours, and I respect that, but I'm probably never going to agree with all of your points, so I'll simply agree to disagree. Makyou is a word used to describe/mean a place (in Japanese lore generally caves or grottos) of evil ghosts or demonic beings, so that part should at the very least also be present in the translation. by Pokun » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:49 pm, Post it will need to look something like this. @Randomname19 I have heard of this game. The guy I purchased it from loaded it with over 8k games on a USB. Even the retro games of today rarely approach the craftsmanship of the stuff produced in the '90's. Tom the translator is not going to be happy... And what's with the Makyō instead of Makyou, as clearly seen in the games' title screen? the legend of the sacred sword 2) but that's still the English title of the game. I'll have to take a look at this! What author? Title: Far East of Eden Zero (Tengai Makyou Zero) Platform: Super Nintendo (SNES) Region: NTSC-J (should also work on a Super Nintendo NTSC-US via adapter or after removing tabs inside the console) Condition: very good In-game language: English "Far East of Eden" refers to an entirely made-up American book about the history of Jipang. They use the story of Noah's flood in a lot of weird ways. On the game box, "Far East of Eden" is printed in small, above the Japanese 天外魔境 exactly in the same way as original English titles are often written above — sometimes below — their translation in Japanese. Street Fighter Alpha 2 (us, eur, jap) Far East of Eden Zero I've downloaded the Far East of Eden Zero graphics pack at Dejap...but I can't use the program to fix the rom because I use windows me and dos is a no no on ME. Far East of Eden - Tengai Makyou II - Manji Maru (Japan).zip download 431.3M Farjius no Jakoutei - Neo Metal Fantasy (Japan)(Rev 1).zip download by Gilbert » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:27 am, Post The graphics packs have all been released, making the game playable, but as yet the translation is not even started. A group of Romhacking.net fans has accomplished an incredible task. Special version of Snes9x? another example is one of my favorite anime, D. Gray-Man. Well, if Adam and Eve went East out of the Garden of Eden after the Devil deceived them.... then now they live in the Devil's world very far (in the east direction) from the heaven-like place that was Eden. (side note: in modern day Japanese life, the term is still used, but then as a synonym for "illusion"). Additional information. Photos and videos are a great way to add visuals to your wiki. This was the fourth game in this Hudson / Red Company developed series; with the previous three games being released on NEC's PC Engine CD, the need to have above average storage capacity was quite understandable. Tengai Makyou (also known with the English subtitle Far East of Eden, albeit the literal translation of the Japanese title is The Devil's World Far From Heaven) is a trilogy (and spin-offs) of Japanese RPGs (and many other media) released by Hudson Soft and the Red Company and created by Ouji Hiroi (aka Hiroshi Adachi aka P.H Chada, who was also the creator of the ⦠by lidnariq » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:34 pm, Post @ThanosReXXX good info. I've got the cart for this a few months back, hoping a translation would come out for it. Just like the movies, when the technology is more limited the artists are forced to be that much more creative to overcome their limitations. That's the one I'd like to play the most. @mikegamer The translation uses a ROM mapping that doesn't exist on any physical cart, so they used a modified SNES9x to add the custom mapping. @speedracer216 Its a cutscene from Far East of Eden: The Fourth Apocalypse. None of this would have been possible without byuu's developed utility that allowed for a bug free dumping of the whole script. Regardless, I believe it was only used in three games, all Hudson. Far East of Eden indeed has the Epson chip. @Shiryu Star Ocean has an SDD-1 chip. Top 25 Neo Geo CD ROMs. "Impossible!" by Markfrizb » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:59 am, Post @Shiryu A small correction: the title of the game does NOT translate to "Far East of Eden of Zero". Hey All, I've had my modded SNES Classic for about a year now. ... Now you can drag your Tengai Makyou Zero rom into hakchi2. Far East Of Eden Zero is Japanese varient and is the best copy available online. Tengai MakyÅ Zero (full title Far East of Eden: Tengai MakyÅ Zero) was one the major Super Famicom games with seemingly impossible translation; this ⦠Archived. I hope this means interest will build for the Gamecube Tengai. There are so many other series that we know and love and play games from and watch animes from, and these often still Japanese titles aren't questioned either, so why should this one be? Re: Far East of Eden Zero Reply #9 - Jun 13 th , 2009 at 7:14pm I tried the latest version, .047 and it goes to a screen with a little bit of Japanese and then to a checklist SPC7110, where it then says everything is ok but does not go past this screen. It's funny as well that the RTC doesn't go up to 2017 (it stops at 2014 or something). by koitsu » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:59 pm, Post Well done! Want your community included? Also, does anyone know if this will ever work on the SD2SNES? Can't wait to try this translation, but I just started work for the day. 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